They’re just on screens all the time now.” This is 2013, so it was ... I talked to Graydon Carter, who’s the executive editor at Vanity Fair, my boss for decades, and I said, “I really want to know what’s going on with all this, and why is it? It wasn’t only teenagers that were commenting in this very ugly way about it. He said, “Let’s find out what the broader thing is that’s going on with ‘average’ girls.” Right.
She and I, when I was consulting with her on the film, I told her, “They’re all ... It was called “Friends Without Benefits.” The first ... It was about how girls use social media and how teenage girls, age 13 to 19, use social media. I think it’s safe to say I was the first person to really write about, in any kind of deep way, about likes and how likes had affected these girls’ self-esteem. They’re feeling like they had to be validated by others’ approval and how it was messing with their heads. She committed suicide after having a non-consensual nude shared online by an older man that she met on some site. It’s unusual to see something that you’re actually like, “That has never happened before.” Right. The video of the girl being assaulted was put online. I think he said — and I think it was a good call as an editor — he said, because I wanted to focus on one case.
At one point, Nick Bilton said to me, when I was interviewing him actually for this movie that I’ve just done, “Swiped,” he said, “Technology makes everything go faster.
Where it began, where a lot of these dating apps started.
I know that there are good, really good, people who cover the world of tech.
I want to do that, but this is based off a story you wrote in Vanity Fair. This was a very controversial story, too, at the time. It was really interesting because what you did, and quite correctly, even though people ... I’m like 12.” I was like, “Listen, I just want to make sure. I was like, “Don’t ever speak to women online like this.” It was a ridiculous parenting moment on my part, but in any case it was ... I randomly got assigned a piece about teenage culture. We didn’t say things went viral back then, but it was sort of the same kind of thing. It was called “Prep School Gangsters.” It’s about how hip-hop, the hip-hop generation, was influenced. Some of them were dealing drugs and getting into all kinds of situations. And yet, it was nuanced in the sense that I also saw all of these really interesting connections and relationships being formed. It was sort of shocking, I think, to a lot of people who read it, what was going on. I didn’t really think about it back then, but I was covering kids in technology back then. They were filming themselves fighting and having sex.
“Based on” wouldn’t exactly be correct, but it covers the same subject matter. There were a lot of complaints about it, but I didn’t think it was ... I said, “If you treat a girl like this I will break your arm! Not break his arm, but I was like, “If you ever ... It went “viral” in the sense that everybody was talking about it. I love hip-hop music, and I also covered hip-hop artists and nightlife and so forth for Vibe magazine. It was the era of sex tapes — Pamela Anderson and Tommy Lee — so it was this new kind of way that ...
More than that, the willingness to put up with it, the ...
I wrote this piece that was about misogyny, sexism, sexual harassment. Because this is what I heard from young women and men who were using ...
Kara Swisher: Today in the red chair is Nancy Jo Sales, a journalist and best-selling author who has written for Vanity Fair, the Guardian and New York Magazine, among other places. Yeah, I’m going to make him watch the documentary, too. Obviously everyone knows about Tinder and knows about dating and the changing nature of dating and the gamification. Then they also advertised things that they had stolen.